Glassing as a Skill: What Most Elk Hunters Get Dead Wrong

Season #1 April 24, 2026

This week I sat down with Cody Nelson, a man who has spent the better part of 12–13 years in elk and deer camps across Arizona and the West, helping legendary hunters like Jay Scott and Steve Chapa put tags on bulls by doing one thing better than just about anyone alive: finding game before the hunt ever starts.

Cody just made a move over to Tricer as their Director of Innovation — and if you've been paying attention to what Drew has been building over there, this hire makes a whole lot of sense. Cody has been quietly consulting and pushing ideas on Drew for years, and now it's official. Big things are coming from that crew.

But this episode isn't a gear ad. This is a masterclass. We dig deep into glassing as a genuine hunting skill — not just a tactic, but a discipline that separates average hunters from the ones who consistently find and kill mature animals. Cody breaks down why most hunters are simply in too much of a hurry, what his three pillars of effective glassing actually look like in the field, and why patience behind the glass is the single most underrated skill in the hunting community.

We cover the binocular debate that never gets old — 10s vs. 12s vs. 15s — and actually give you a real answer that depends on where you hunt and what you're doing. We get into the stabilized binocular conversation, and Cody shares an honest take that goes beyond the hype. We talk tripods, the micro pan head, the weight-versus-stability trade-off, and why Cody would rather forget his rifle than forget his tripod.

And then there's the story. The Unit 23 bull. A bull over 430 inches that Cody found by accident, locked onto for an entire day without breaking, and helped orchestrate one of the most incredible archery kills I've heard in a long time. If that story doesn't make you want to sit behind your glass longer, nothing will.

We also talk about hunting for tomorrow — the concept of letting your glass do the work so your boots don't blow up your opportunity — and why the hunters who consistently win are the ones willing to look into the dark, nasty, quiet pockets that everyone else drives past.

This one is worth a second listen. Lock it in.

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Timestamp Chapters
0:00 Intro & Cold Open — Cody Rich welcomes listeners and introduces the episode topic — glassing as a skill.
2:15 Sponsor Read — Tricer Tripods — Fast, light, simple. Use code TRO for 10% off at tricer.com.
4:30 Sponsor Read — Stone Glacier — The Sky Archer 6,400 and a full suite of mountain hunting gear. Use code TRO at stoneglacier.com.
6:00 Welcome Cody Nelson / Two Cody's Walk Into a Podcast — Introductions, backstory on past phone calls, and how Cody Nelson ended up at Tricer.
10:30 Cody Nelson's Background — Arizona, Jay Scott & 12 Years in Elk Camp — How glassing shaped Cody's entire hunting philosophy and career.
15:00 Why Most Hunters Suck at Glassing — The #1 problem: people are simply in too big of a hurry. The three pillars of effective glassing introduced.
20:45 Hunting for Tomorrow — The Philosophy — Find the elk today. Hunt them tomorrow. How patience and observation beat boots-on-the-ground every time.
26:00 How to Choose the Right Glassing Spot — Reading terrain, using timing, understanding elk movement pre-rut vs. rut, and looking into the dark pockets everyone else ignores.
33:30 The Randy Ulmer Lesson — Looking Into the Sun — How flipping conventional wisdom opened up new opportunities and why big country rewards unconventional thinking.
38:00 10s vs 12s vs 15s — The Real Answer — Field of view, brightness, exit pupil, and why the honest answer always starts with: where are you hunting?
44:30 Stabilized Binoculars — Honest Take — What they do brilliantly, where they fall short, field of view trade-offs, and the pet peeve Cody can't shake on a glassing knob.
52:00 Stabilized Spotting Scopes & The Wind Factor — Why stabilization matters more for spotters than binos, cutting wind shimmer on long-range glassing, and the Epoch Outdoors app.
57:30 What Makes a Great Glasser — Muscle memory, terrain familiarity, patience — and why there are no real shortcuts to building this skill.
1:03:00 Tripod Philosophy — The Force Multiplier — Why any tripod beats no tripod. The micro pan head, the AD vs. BC, LP for backpacking, and Cody's 30+ tripod collection.
1:10:30 Chair vs. Ground — And Not Skylining Yourself — Eye fatigue, hours in the glass, and how your setup affects how long you can actually hunt.
1:16:00 THE STORY — The Unit 23 Bull Over 430 Inches — A flat tire, a spike road, one bull of a lifetime, and a full day locked onto a single tree. Michael Parks. Jay Scott. One of the greatest archery bulls ever killed in Arizona.
1:22:00 Cody Nelson's New Role at Tricer — Director of Innovation, what he's been consulting on for years, and what's coming next from the Tricer team.
1:24:00 Wrap-Up & Outro — Final thoughts, where to find Cody Nelson, free hunt planner link, and thanks for listening.

3 Key Takeaways:

1. Patience Is the Most Underrated Glassing Skill — and It's Completely Free
Cody Nelson has three pillars of effective glassing: buy quality glass, put it on a tripod, and slow down. The third one is the hardest and the most important. Most hunters are in a hurry — they crest a ridge, look for 14 seconds, and move on. The elk are often right there. A methodical, unhurried approach to covering a hillside will reveal animals that the speed-hikers will never see. You don't need the best glass in the world if you're willing to be the most patient person on the mountain.

2. Stop Looking for a Giant View — Start Looking Into the Dark Pockets
There's a common assumption that good glassing means finding the biggest vantage point you can and looking at the most country possible. The hunters who consistently find mature bulls do the opposite — they look for the small, ugly, nasty pockets that are hard to see into. Late season bulls especially want to be left alone in deep timber, on north-facing slopes, in spots where most hunters won't bother to look. The goal isn't to cover the most acres. It's to look where the animals actually are — and they're usually not standing on a skyline waiting for you.

3. Your Tripod Is More Important Than Your Rifle — Seriously
Cody made a statement at a seminar that stopped the room cold: he'd rather forget his rifle than forget his tripod. Why? Because without a rifle, you can still find game, watch patterns, and come back tomorrow without disturbing anything. Without your tripod, you're fighting eye fatigue from the first hour, you're missing animals in terrain that requires steady glass, and you're giving up precious hunting time every time your eyes give out. A tripod isn't a luxury accessory. It's the tool that multiplies every other piece of glass you own — including your $50 binoculars from the garage.

Episode Transcript

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[00:00:00] This is the Elk Hunt Podcast home to everything elk hunting. I'm your host Cody Rich, from fellow DIYers to elk hunting legends. We have elk hunting stories, tips, tactics, and more to get you pumped for elk season. Join us every week for great elk hunting content.

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How you doing? Good about yourself. You know, Rick, I, I, Cody, I was trying to remember, I think you and I spoke a while back about, uh, the, interestingly enough about a, a, a tripod. [00:02:00] Do I remember that right? I was trying to remember like a ago. I thought we did ago. It was a couple ago ago. Ago. Yeah. It was a number of years ago, and I don't remember.

What the context was, but I, I, I was thinking, I was like, I don't remember if we did a podcast or if we just chatted on the phone. I thought maybe we just chatted. Yeah, I, I think we chatted on the phone. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I, I don't, I, I can't, I think we were, I mean, were we maybe trying to get you hooked up with a tripod at the time from maybe it was side of things or, 'cause I remember, like, I even went back and looked at old texts and there was like a couple texts in there where we talked about a trier ad and Oh, really?

Something about it was on the way, or I, you know, I don't know if something, did you ever have something go wrong with one or something? Not, huh. I mean, I never got, I never would've got a, don't think I would've got a tripod. 'cause I knew Drew far before he ever was with Go Hunt. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, I'm, yeah, I'm just, I'm not sure why.

What weird. I don't know. It was a while ago, though. Well, good to, it was, I, I think my last [00:03:00] text with you was like, seriously, like back in 2023. Okay. I guess that's not terribly long ago. Yeah. It wasn't that long ago. So, but nice to, uh, you know, put a name and a face and everything together. Like, I, I know who you are.

I just, you know, it's not like we've, you know, interacted a lot, that's all. No, no, no. Yeah, a hundred percent. And, uh, welcome to the trir crew. Are you, uh, yeah, it's, um, excited to switch it up a little bit. Yeah. It's, uh, you know, drew and I have worked so much together. Uh, you know, I mean, just little, I, I guess I could say, you know, I mean, I've been consulting with him for a while, but not like on an official basis, you know, just, he'd called me up and asked me things and, you know, I mean, you know, we could certainly break it down in the, in the podcast too.

Yeah. But he, uh, you know, I just was real brutally honest with him about a lot of stuff real early. I thought that there was some value there and some, some growth there that, that he was kind of missing. Uh, he [00:04:00] calls it, he, I, well, I think if I remember right, like I basically told him like, Hey man, you need to get outta this niche.

You know, this, you, you need to get into the big boy stuff and I think you can really do something. And that's when we talked about the upside down legs and the, you know, I mean, it, it all kind of came together and he, that's what I love about Drew, like, when he gets his mind on something, he's gonna do it.

Yeah, for sure. And, uh, so like, I mean, you know, there's so many projects that I have given, like, I laugh because like even the new changes to the ad and the bcs, like, I was after him for like a year. Like, bro, you gotta get the, the center post solid. You got, you know, the, you're, you're, you're, uh, when you close 'em down, the, the circumference is too big.

People are complaining and they're comparing it to other models and. I mean, I'm not gonna take responsibility for the, for the, um, the engineering that happened and the stuff that came out of it, you know, like the [00:05:00] exacts. But you know, when you, when you shorten the, the trundle down and, and you lengthen the, the, the, the, uh, the trundle, um, you know, the center post travels in and you, you use a flip lock and you get more surface space to, to tighten things up.

I'm like, fuck, guy speaking my language, this is exactly what I wanted. So, yeah. Um, yeah, it's pretty cool stuff, so. Well cool. Cool. Let's, uh, yeah, I, let's jump into it. I, uh, I, I'm excited. I wanna talk, uh, kind of just glassing is a skill and I was gonna put this on the Elk Hunt podcast, which, you know, we can kind of cater it towards elk hunting, which, I mean, glassing fairly universal, but if we could, I dunno, talk a little bit from the hunting perspective.

Yeah, I'm happy to either way. It's, you know, I only spent. God, 12 or 13 years helping Jay Scott on in his camps for, you know, and Steve Chap and those guys for all those years. So I, I, I hope I can help or lend a hand with that. No, I'm [00:06:00] excited, I'm excited about it. I think I got some good stuff, so, yeah.

Cool. That's, well ask away and I mean, I'm an open book and, and, um, you know, I think, I think, did Drew talk to you at all? Like, he just wanted me to like, you know, like, Hey, you know, and look, I'm still, just so you know, I'm still helping go hunt for at least a 90 day period. Okay. And, um, so there's no bad blood, there's no, like I, an opportunity came along that was so Yeah.

It's just too good not to take it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Drew called me before, uh, he was like, Hey, what do you think? Oh, good, good. So I talked to Drew quite a bit. Um, but yeah, drew, uh, he called me before we, we chatted a little bit about you coming on. Uh, yeah. Happy to do it. I think it'll be good.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, let's kick it off. Here goes, go ahead. Do you have any questions? Where, where are you at? Uh, in Bozeman. Oh, so you're in, oh, okay. So you're in the, you're in the, in the wheelhouse over there. That's like the place, that's like the [00:07:00] Yeah, sometimes it's called the drama oz.

Well, I mean, you've got so many companies there now that have, they've kind of landed there and Yeah, I'm sure it's a little interesting walking around town when you have like, competitors. Uh, I know what's funny is like Mountain Tough is kinda like, it's the melting pot too. So if like, if there was a industry gym, you know what I mean?

Like Mountain Tough is the industry gym. Oh, that's and so's funny. Like, you get to, it's, it's not even Bozeman 'cause like, most of the stuff you don't even see in Bozeman. And then if you go to Mountain Tough, you're like, you know, you're hanging out with dudes from every single company. Well, so I, you know, do you know Giannis and, and Steve and those guys?

Right. So Giannis, you know, I've known Giannis for years and, and, uh, I, you know, that. Bozeman to me, really kind of became a thing when, when, you know, all those guys started Mo, you know, I mean, I was like, wow, this is, and then, you know, you start, oh, well so-and-so's there. And, and it just became this like thing, I was like, man, this is, and it's, you know, obviously been going [00:08:00] on for a long time, but, um, you know, you can't, I didn't realize you were in Bozeman, but I mean, yeah, I mean, it, it, it's certainly an interesting, uh, and I've never been there and Oh, really?

And, uh, well, yeah, I, I've never been to Bo I mean, most of my hunting has been literally Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado. Um, pretty much, you know, that's kind of my wheelhouse. Um, not as much Colorado 'cause I just haven't gotten up there in a long time. But I was, you know, I've been kind of married to the job, so to speak, so you don't always get to hunt as much as you want, so.

And get drawn for stuff too, so, but yeah. But, uh, yeah. Uh, hammer away and let's, let's get after it. We're, I'm good bud. Um, do you try to like hit, do you have like a target like hour do or you just let it go? Whatever it feels? I usually try to do about an hour. Um, okay, cool, cool, cool. Yeah. Roughly if it goes, I mean, 45 to an hour, I would say.

Nice. Alrighty. [00:09:00] All right, Cody, welcome to the podcast. How we doing? I'm doing great, man. I'm just, uh, happy to be here and, uh, I kind of, I'm excited to put a name and a face and everything together. Yeah, I know we've had a couple interactions with Go Hunt in the past, but you know, I guess we can, it's just, it's just two Cody's on a call now.

Cody and Cody. Cody, absolutely. It's a great name, I can tell you that. Right. You know, it's kind of funny 'cause I, people are blessed to listen to two Cody's. Let me just tell you what I mean. Yeah, don't get confused now. Um, the, uh, yeah, I mean I grew up, you know, like my best friend for my whole life is, his name was Cody.

And it's odd because in the set, you know, I'm 55 and in the seventies. There really wasn't a lot of Codys, I mean really. And then right. Wound up going to the same school and I mean, it was like, yeah, so it was a pretty rare name. Uh, it was, you know, growing up like that, it was pretty rare. So I grew up, up, uh, I was born in late eighties, so growing up in the nineties, I feel like there was a lot of Cody's.[00:10:00]

Oh, it was, it was a, there was a huge, like, I can tell you that there's a lot of, like, my, my wife, um, is, is a, is an A teacher's and, and you know, she's been in, in, uh, like pre-K education for, you know, a long time and the, the co code, they're everywhere, bro. We're we, we don't have the franchise anymore, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. So it's, uh, but yeah, it's a good thing, you know, it's, that's, yeah. So, well, welcome to the show. Uh, dude, you're the glassing expert and I thought it'd be fun to do an entire episode on glassing because I do think Cool, you know, you've talked about this before, but it is, it's a skillset. Um, hundred percent.

And you. Can prepare it. We talk a lot about USA elk calling or whatever aspect, right. You know, people love to shoot their bows, but they don't really practice every other aspect of what it takes to be a, a great hunter and a great elk hunter and things like that. We've done a lot of podcasts on, [00:11:00] or we've done podcasts in the past on looking far, looking often looking like, you know, this concept of like, you know, find the elk today, hunt them tomorrow, which is Yep.

Very different than I think a lot of people tromping around the woods, blowing their bugle tubes and looking for elk. I, I always shorten that up to hunting for tomorrow. Hunting for tomorrow. Right. Hunting for tomorrow. But it, it's, uh, you know, a lot of people don't, um, they don't quite grasp it. They don't understand it.

They don't, you know, they would be like, why are you even looking where you're looking? Mm. And it, it's about finding those pockets that aren't. That maybe, you know, you're at a vantage point and you're just trying to find where those, in this case we're talking about elk, but I mean, the number of times that we found bulls that just weren't being pushed around by the, you know, the masses or what was going on, and you just find that pocket that you, you're watching 'em go to and from and, [00:12:00] and, and you can go in there on the next day and, and kind of figure out where you kind of know where they're gonna be.

And, um, if you can't find them and you can't do that, it, I mean, can't hunt it can't hunt well, I mean, you can hunt 'em, but I think it, it, it becomes a much harder task. And if that's what you're up to and into that, that's cool. I got, you know, there's no, nothing wrong with that. But, um, you know, you know, the interesting thing too is like, I think, uh, you know, looking far, looking often, there's a couple aspects to that, like.

You can cover more ground when you're looking 10 miles away, which is true, but I also think you can find more animals or figure, I, I wouldn't even boil it down to finding more animals. It's figuring out the macro with less movement, right? Like sometimes we wanna stomp around in the woods and figure it out.

Like, I get it, you just wanna put boots on the ground. But like with e scouting and glassing, you can kind of figure things out if you're patient 100% and you use the tools, [00:13:00] right? Like, well, I, I, I think just the, the peer simple rule of I'm looking at something that I'm not disturbing. Like you're letting them do their thing and do their natural patterns.

And I don't, I think the value in that almost kind of supersedes everything. Do you know what I mean? I mean, to me that. The, the, I, I can't tell you how many times that's been successful. And it's not always a, a a hundred percent, but it, it makes a difference. Yeah. 100%. So, I'd love to dive into why do most hunters suck at glossing?

And maybe the follow up, which is like, what is good glassing? Like, what is, what is glassing as a skill? I, I don't like, I, I, I think the number one thing that, that truthfully people, and I hate to use the word, they suck at glassing. I, I just like to simply say, I think they're in a hurry. Mm-hmm. And I think they, [00:14:00] they need to slow down.

And, and most people, you know, they, whether you see 'em pull up in a quad or they, they break, you know, the horizon. They, they just, they look and then they're gone and you're up high and you're looking at, you watch these people do this. They get out of their vehicles or they, you know, they crest over a ridge and they, they look for two seconds and then they disappear and they're gone off to the next one.

And you're like, do, do you not see the elk? I mean, they're right in the bottom. I mean, they're right there, right. You know, whether they're bugling or not. I mean, that, that's a whole different thing. But I mean, the bottom line is, is I think people just get in too big a hurry. Um, I, I don't think that, certainly, I think the terrain matters, but I don't think necessarily that elk are the most difficult thing on the planet to see.

But I honestly believe that people get in too big of a hurry. I mean, I, I, I, you know, when I talk about glassing, I typically will tell you about, um, I don't know how to call it the three pillars or whatever, but [00:15:00] it's, it, I mean, literally buy good glass and we can define good glass if you want to, and then, and then, you know, put it on a tripod and, and slow down and be methodical.

I think that last piece of it is. I know guys that glass, that don't have the best glass in the world, but they find elk because they're, they're methodical and they slow down. So I think I, I, I just think that people don't bridge that gap enough to where they really take that third piece of it and say, man, I just, I'm just gonna slow down and be really methodical about what I'm doing.

Right. And I think it's even more important with deer, you know, the difference between like glass and deer. Absolutely. And Al is like, man, I, I actually, I don't know. I, I go back and forth. It depends on where you are. Like, right. Like the very much depends on where you are. I do think that though there's a, I don't know, misnomer or this false point or this false assumption that just because elk are big wall tents standing on the side of a mountain, [00:16:00] that I will see them in the first 14 seconds or I should keep covering ground.

Right. I think, you know, for me it's tough because I do believe in covering ground, but. Darn golly, I've passed a lot of elk that I probably should have saw or saw elk hours into a spot that I, that weren't there. I think Rich, to translate what you're saying though, have you ever, you know, I mean, obviously you've been within 50 yards of a bull, right?

Right. Doesn't it amaze you Sometimes it just how, I mean, first of all, how fast they move, but how silent they move. And I mean, they just, I, I sometimes I'm just like, bewilder, like, how does an animal like that do what it does? And you know, they're, I mean, you know, they're, whether it's cows or, or, or bulls or whatever.

But I just, I always think to myself, man, that is a, that's a thousand pound animal moving around just like slipping through the forest, like Right. Nobody's business. And so, yeah. Oh, and how many times have I looked over and there's a thousand pound animal? Animal, we'll call it [00:17:00] 700 pound animal, staring at me.

Like, where did you come from exactly. Sneaky little fell. A hundred percent. Yeah, that's exactly right. So I, I just, I, I think it's amazing to me that, that, uh, that they slip around and do what they do with, you know, what they're carrying. And, um, uh, I a and again, I always, you know, I live in Arizona, so I get everything from desert to, you know, mix juniper and, you know, and, and uh, and, and then up into the Pondo pot, I get a little bit of everything.

So, um, I, I mean, it can be tougher when you're dealing with more vegetation and, um, and you just gotta have the right tools to, you know, to do that. You know, I'd, I'd love to get into, and I, I mean, I, I've hunted Arizona, one of the tougher. Places I've ever hung in. And man, you learn a lot about glossing in Arizona.

I understand why people have teams of people now and you know, the angles, the, like, the ness, [00:18:00] the, there's never a good advantage. Like I think when people think of g glassing, at least with elk, it's like, oh, I, I esc out, I find this knob and I glass from that, which is like, maybe there's some truth in that, but also like, man, finding the right rock.

All of these things like to be able to look into these micro pockets, glassing as a hunting style, uh, glassing is a skill in its own. The being able to search a mountain in a systematic order in which you are going to find animals, spend the appropriate amount of time, which is a great guessing that I would love to dive into, but like the appropriate amount of time in each basin, hillside, and not like every piece, you know?

Right. Um, and it's like. I've hunted places where I've sat and looked at this same hillside for eight hours, and then an elk stands up, you're like, Hmm. Didn't know you were there. Uh, and you know, so it's like, and sure, maybe, maybe the guy that just runs around is seeing more area. I just, man, I, I always [00:19:00] fall back to like these old timers that used to sit on the same knob and, you know, an elk will walk by if you sit there long enough.

And so, like, there's always this balance, I guess from a macro level. Let's start at a macro and then we'll kind of work into the finer details of putting your optics in, like being systematic and how you glass like grids and things like that. But like, from a big picture, what, what is, like, how do you, how do you teach someone how to find the right glassy knobs?

How do you teach someone locations? And, and then what's your thought on timing and all of those things? Or how, like, how long does Glass, well, I mean, you know, but scouting, you know, obviously, you know, helps. Um, I, I, I think one of the things that I always. I kind of like to tell people this is like, I, I always talk a lot about the rut because that's, you know, probably my favorite time to hunt.

But I think it's, you know, you gotta use the timing of the year to figure out what you're gonna be doing. And, and there are places that you can [00:20:00] go glass right now and you could say, well, you know, I saw elk, but that those elk aren't gonna be there when the rut starts to happen. Because, I mean, if they're in full velvet and, and, and it's August, at least, you know, for us anyway, by about September 1st, those elk are stripped and they're, they're completely moved places, right?

I mean, you know, there's actually kind of documented cases of, of, of elk being killed and seen in one spot and being killed, you know, 20, you know, 15 miles away. Right? That's not uncommon at all. So I think it's about like letting the time dictate. I like to get to learn the roads, units and, and know how to navigate and get to those high places because I think the most important time before, like, and I'm gonna say a rut hunt is, is quite honestly, I think it's the two weeks, you know, kind right before the hunt [00:21:00] because it's the, the mo the closest to, you know, figuring out if you know that there's water in feed in the area and, and you know that there's a high place, the general sp you know, I mean, and you found cows, you're, you're, I mean, you're literally gonna find elk and the bulls will be there eventually.

And so, um, I, I, I mean, yeah. Or they're high spots. You know, I, I always think of like, when I think of high spots, I think of unit 10 all the time. And if you've ever been in unit 10 in, in Arizona, like. There's high spots all over the place, but there's prominent places that, that I could start naming that everybody like, oh, I've been there, I got in.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But you're gonna find elk in those places just because at that time of year, the elk, the bull, the cows are generally there and the, the bulls kind of start piling, piling in from all different places. And, um, you know, I I, I think that, that at, at, at the, you know, you gotta have the water.

You gotta have the food and, and the cow's gotta be [00:22:00] there. So, um, you know, I think when, when you start looking for those places, um, I like big, you know, the, the bigger the vantage point, the, the more I like it, you know? Um, you know, can I get the sun at my back in the, in the morning? And, and, uh, and, and, you know, can I, can I get it?

Like if you were talking, say the, you know, some of those late Rifle Arizona, it could be anything, but like what, uh, I just thought of a story I should tell, uh, late rifle, all of those where it's like, you know, man, some those places in Arizona, it feels like you just can't glass that far because the farther you get the more you can't see.

Right. And that's true. And that's why like on a, on a late hunt like that, without a doubt, I'm, I'm gonna try to get it on canyon edges looking down into the north side bottoms. Right. But I, I'm, I'm looking for those places that are quiet outta the way, because you gotta put yourself in a frame of mind.

Those, those elk are not Redding anymore. They're, they're looking to put on, you know, I mean our [00:23:00] winners aren't here, aren't bad, but they're, they're still tired and worn out and, and all they wanna do is be left alone. So generally speaking, they're by themselves. And, uh, I'm already boring you. No, sorry. No, I'm, I'm just teasing.

Um, no, but, but that's the thing is, is like on, on a, on a late hunt like that, to me it's all about getting high and looking down into the deepest, darkest pockets you can find. And, and a lot of times sometimes that those aren't those big giant looks, you know, you're getting on camera or a, a canyon edges and, and looking down into those north sides and, and, um, generally speaking, the, the, the thicker nastier, you know, places that you can find feed and water, that's where those bulls are gonna be.

You know, it's funny, I feel like a lot of people try to, like, they choose the place where you can see a lot, most great hunters, it feels like are looking at pockets you can't see a lot, you know, it's like, well, it's like the opposite. I, I, I will, I, I, I have [00:24:00] no problems giving this pain homage to this person because it's the first time that I'd ever kind of thought about it in this way.

Randy Ulmer wrote an article a long time ago, and I don't know if you know Randy, but Randy is, oh, I don't know him personally, but yes. Well, he's a, he's a friend and, and he is somebody that I look up to and that I have the greatest amount of respect for, not, not always because of his success, but the guy just does things differently.

And I'll never forget when I read that piece that he was like, Hey, um, some of the biggest, you know, deer, elk, whatever I have found looking directly into the sun. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, so like you heard, like generally speaking, I want the sun at my back. But he literally flipped me on that. And I'm like, well, sometimes I guess it does just make sense.

You gotta do things a little different. Right. And, but it's like you're saying, a lot of people will go to a place that they can see a [00:25:00] giant area. And I don't know that that always reveals, I mean, it may. Right. And if, you know, have experience, it kind of depends on your, and on, you know, your, your familiarity with the place.

But I would tell you that sometimes just because you're looking at a giant area doesn't mean you're gonna reveal the secrets that it holds. Right. And, and I think that comes with knowing the territory in the country and, and the, the habits of the elk at that, you know, quote unquote time. I mean, I, I can remember, uh, back in the day, unit 10, there was a bull that we were looking for that was in what I would call a sea of junipers.

You, you, when, from the place that we were looking, you could not see dirt. I mean, you, you were just, you were looking at literally tree, tree tops. And I don't know how many days I spent on top of that knob looking for that particular bowl. And when we found that bowl, you could hear the bowl. [00:26:00] But when I found the bowl, I literally just saw the whale tail.

That's it. Yeah, that's how that's, we identified him. It was like, yep, he's, I mean, he's right there. And it was just because you're going back and forth through that, you know, just looking for those things. And, and so it wasn't the, I mean, yes, you could see other places, but the, the elk were in that pocket and they weren't going anywhere else.

So, well, interesting enough, uh, Randy Ulmer, I, uh, read some Randy Ulmer thing and you know, he ran fifteens, whatever. So I did this, this was like 2021 and I ran fifteens for a year, mainly 'cause Randy Ulmer told me to. But you, I actually now have been back to twelves. What's your thought? Fifteens 1210s, like what's your favorite buy now's best all around.

I think there's, I I, to be straight up, I think you have to take the tool and apply it to the job, right? So, I mean, it's no different than a Phillips head or a Flathead, right? [00:27:00] So. I think that where a guy knows where he is going to and where he is hunting, I think you have to let that particular, you know, so why would you say one versus the other?

Twelves are typically lighter weight, wider field of view, um, maybe not necessarily brighter, but you know, probably pretty equal in, in terms of their exit pupil. Um, easier to carry in your chest. Maybe a guy wants to pare down and not carry more than one or two or three pair of optics and I say three pair of, you know, or three optics and people think you're outta your mind.

Well, I just think that's trade craft. So when, when you help people glass as much as I have over the years and you're trying to help somebody kill a bull and you know, or respectable bull, sometimes carrying more glasses is better than not, but. So for me, a, a 10 on my chest, a 15 in [00:28:00] my bag, and, and a spotting scope.

That's well, and now we get into the days of the big eyes, like there's some days I have a lot more glass than, you know, I mean, I've gone into a glassy knob with 60 pounds of optics on my back before just because, and I'm always testing stuff and, and doing crazy stuff anyway. But I guess my point to that is, um, I love fifteens.

I think the bigger the country, the fifteens certainly soak up some of that in between and, and, and make those, those really long looks better. Um, I think a guy can get away with twelves, especially when he is, um, you know, especially when the field of view makes, I mean, you gotta think about the field of view on a, on a 15 is, is normally about 230 feet, right at, at a thousand yards.

And a 12 normally is, is 300 feet. So. That's a fairly significant jump. And so again, I think a [00:29:00] guy has to use what, what is comfortable for him and the job that he's like, I've gone and gone through, man, I've, when Laika was, you know, back in the early, this maybe late nineties or early two thousands, I kind of went through that 12 phase before twelves were really a big deal.

Um, and, and I kind of put that to the test way back in the day I did it again when the 1250 ELs came out. And it wasn't that I didn't like the ELs. It doesn't, doesn't mean I, I can't be successful with 'em. I think for what we do here, certainly in this big open country, I think fifteens help you out more than twelves do.

Um, you know, the interesting thing, and I, I've said this before, but I mean, I currently run 12, so this will contradict that, but I remember when I was running fifteens and I think I was spring bear hunting one that year, and, uh. I remember having this thought of like, man, with fifteens, you're looking through the trees and at 12 you're looking at the [00:30:00] trees and there's a just a slight variation of like, you know, say I'm glassing a canyon, a thousand yards, 800 yards, whatever.

It's 600 yards. Even when I'm on fifteens, it is like, man, we're looking almost through these trees. 'cause it's, you're like, you're a little bit tighter and it's like, it feels like you're, you're looking well rich. If you, if you, if you think about the history of the fifteens, that literally what you just said right there is why the fifteens were sold back in the day because you weren't looking.

I mean, and let's be really honest, fifteens were used for, for K deer. That's, I mean, that's really where they were born. I mean, you know, Dwayne Adams sitting on a, on a high rock with a, you know, a, uh, a a a shoddy at best tripod. But with 15, I mean, back in the eighties with $1,500 Zeiss, 15 by sixties.

Right? So that's. I mean that, that that's where they were born in, in, in, in the articles that were written in those [00:31:00] days. That's what they used to talk about is finding, you know, you, you were looking through trees and, and picking up deer as opposed to, so this is, and this is why I always go back to like, people always want to pin me on, well, what's, you know, this versus that.

I'm like, whoa, where are we hunting? Like, what are we doing? Because if you go out my safe right now, I've got 12 by fifties too. So I, I think there's a lot of tools out there that can be used for certain things, but it's just, you know, kind of appropriate for what I'm doing at, at, at a particular time.

Right. It's probably hard, so hard for you to be like, you know, people probably ask what's the favorite optic, all of those things. Um, well, but, but, okay. But let's talk about that though. I'm more interested in what you, like if, if you called me Redish and just said, Hey Cody, this is what I do. This is where I hunt and here's what the train looks like.

I'm gonna let that dictate what I, what I try, I, I don't try to sell you simply based on what I use. That's, I think that's [00:32:00] horribly wrong. I want to know what you, I wanna know where you're hunting and what you're doing and, and how that affects you, because that might be totally different than where I'm at.

So I think it's all about, you know, that's why I mean it kind of back to that like, hey, buy the best glass and you know, the, the, the right thing for you, you put it on a tripod and, and, you know, certainly, you know, tripods are, are, uh, to me, they're, they're, they're, they're, uh, force multipliers because it, I can glass with an eight incredibly effectively.

Now, now, I'm not saying an eight's perfect for what we're doing, right? But don't kid yourself, you put an eight on a tripod and go glass for elk. You'd be amazed at what you pick up and see. People just don't think, they think, oh, there's no way that could, there's no way I gotta have twelves or fifteens.

Right. But it, it, it all comes back to that [00:33:00] brightness and, and, and resolution and clarity. All that stuff means something at a certain point in time. And what's your, the way, what's your thought on, um, what's your thought on stabilized binoculars? I feel like it's all the rage. Uh, everyone says you gotta have them, but I have an argument against it.

So let me, okay. So there's a couple things. Number one, I will not deny and will ever deny, and I used to be one of those guys. I was sitting on the fence and Brady and I were having the conversation, and Brady's the one who turned me onto him. And, and I'll go back so far as to say that it wasn't Brady that turned me onto him.

It was a guy named Tony Ami. That, that, that is a, a, a guy that used to work with my brother that was using the Cannons back in the nineties and was doing that before, before anybody else was thinking about doing it. Before it was cool. It well before it was even a thing, right? And so I, I will say this, there is no doubt there is not even an argument that the [00:34:00] stabilization works and it is a phenomenal tool.

My problem with it is the field of views are horribly, like 30% less than some cases than it's comparative binocular, okay? I'm not saying that you can't use 'em, I'm not saying you can't be successful, but I'm not gonna cut. I love field of view. I, I want my eyes to do the walking within the entire view.

And again, I'm never, I'm not saying you can't do it stabilized, I'm just saying I don't wanna look through a paper towel holder, right? I don't want that. I, I want this look, not that look, and, and again. And I come back to say this every time I think there are tools for certain jobs. Now I'm gonna tell you the one pet peeve I have about 'em.[00:35:00]

When you're sitting next to a guy that's using them and we're looking for a co deer or an animal that we found, and we're looking in somewhat difficult terrain to keep track of them, okay? If I have to explain to somebody one more time where that animal is, because they've taken their by noses down and they're looking at me and they're trying to figure out what I'm looking at, the first time is great.

The second time, now you're starting, you're wasting my time. At that point, put 'em on the tripod, right, and get 'em fixed on where they're supposed to be fixed. Because what you'll find out is that Kous deer's been standing in the same place for 30 minutes and you still can't find them right now. Again, I'm not picking on the stabilization.

I just wanna see them keep evolving. I wanna see wider field of view. I wanna see the glass quality get better, but there is no doubt in their mind that they are doing something incredible. I, I have a set, [00:36:00] I love 'em. I, I use them in my truck every time I go out. But the cool part is I use them, especially like during the rut, like this whole like end of, end of February, or I'm sorry, end of, uh, December and in January I'd be driving around and there's places that I know where deer will rut that I'd just roll the window down and, and put the Binos out and be, oh, they're, they're, they're at it.

Shut the truck off, get my big glass out and start really looking atem how I wanna look. Hmm. And again, it, it's just using certain tools for certain things. So, uh, the common question is on the, on the, on the, the 42 millimeters. Do I use twelves? I think, I think Brady and, and Trail were, you know, Brady or, uh, trail uses the twelves.

Brady uses the sixteens for me per, and by the way, the field of view is any different. It's 190, uh, what, 194.5 feet or a, I'm sorry, 199 point 0.5 feet. And it's [00:37:00] just because of the way they're built Now, I, that's not a lot of field of view for me. Right. So if you're gonna use sixteens or twelves, and they have the same field of view and you go under canopy in some place in Colorado where you're not gonna be out of trees all day, I, I'm sorry.

I just don't know that that's the best use of glass. Mm-hmm. I mean, the, the, the 10 by thirties, they're the smallest of the bunch, but those have a field of view of like 273 feet. That's still. Roughly 50 feet shorter than a normal 10. Right. So I, the other thing, like, for me, the, the, the pet peeve I have, and I had a, I'm very curious to what you have, what your pet peeve is.

I, I love this stuff. Uh, my pet peeve is, um, it's, it's a change of behavior in that you could argue this either way, but in my opinion, [00:38:00] um, once I started hunting around glassing, like I was like, okay, this is the system. We're gonna switch the system. Instead of covering ground, now we're locating glassing spots and we're putting time in, right?

We're putting time behind the glass. The problem with those, and you can still throw 'em on a tripod. Yes, but I think most people don't, they tend to move too quickly. Under, because it's like this tool, you know, it's kinda like, I always talk about this with four-wheelers or, or dirt bikes or whatever. When you have a certain tool you like all, when all you have is a hammer, all you see is nails.

And when you have a four-wheeler, it's tough to walk places, right? Because you're like driving around and you're like, oh, let's drive over here, let's drive over here, let's drive over here. Uh, same with a side by side, right? And, and you forget that how to use your legs. And when you have, uh, optics on a tripod.

It's like an event to set. Like it's a little bit time. And like when I set up my tripod, I always set it up very level. I always set it up like [00:39:00] we're gonna be here for a little bit. And I do, I, you know, I glass, you know, I spend time g glassing, uh, similar to like, it'd be like walking around and calling and then every two seconds I move, right?

And you're like, there are people that do that as well. It's like, I'm just gonna locate bugle, cover ground and wait until something answers. Right there. There is that, that is a system. However, like, I think you're losing a lot of opportunity in that. Like, yeah, let's just cover ground and look. And I do think that like, maybe depending on where you are, what you're doing and, and what you're looking for, maybe covering ground with a pair of stabilized bonano.

Bonos, binos is, you know, something where you're gonna like, oh, I, I don't even have to use a tripod anymore. I just like look glass, nothing there. Ah, yeah. I don't know. Maybe you catch 50% of the animals you would've, or maybe it's 80%. I don't really know. Yeah. And, and again, rich, I think this all comes back to like the area you're hunting, the time of year, you're hunting, you know, I mean, are you going in [00:40:00] blind that, that you gotta cover distance?

Do, I mean, I think there's so many things, and this is why I just come back to, and I, and I and, and, and, and I think some guys, like, I've been accused like, oh, you just hate those. I'm like, no, I, it's not that I do, I don't, I, I just want to keep seeing them evolve and I'm happy we're having the conversation.

Like I think that the, the stabilization and the spotters for me personally, way more important to me than the binos. Oh, really? Way more important, because I'm that guy that likes to look at things at Miles. Right. Right. So for me, now that Swarovski's doing what they're doing and they've got that the, it, I mean the latency or, uh, the, like you talk about the, the other brands.

The, the latency or the, the, the sensitivity is basically like almost half of what the Swarovski's are. So the swarovski's actually picking up some of that shimmer. [00:41:00] Mm-hmm. You know, that, that vibration instead of just that inertia, that movement. Right, right. So for me, if I can ensure that I'm focusing something at the longest distance, well that's the d that might be the difference of God.

You know, if I'm bracketing a bullet three miles away, am I really, is, am I dealing with, you know, with heat waves or am I, I mean, am I focusing or like, what, what, what am I really looking at? And if, if you're gonna tell your buddy that's got a tag or yourself, and I'm gonna go in there and chase that animal, and you get over there and it's the same bull you are like Ko, that bull's not near as big as you thought it was.

Well, it's not even that, you know, it's, well, it's similar vein, but like, to me, and I've never seen anyone talk about this. Maybe they do and I don't watch, but when I see the stabilized, uh, spotters, I, my biggest problem, I live in Montana, and so the wind is like constantly, oh, anything, if I'm looking at an elk over five miles away, it's like, you're [00:42:00] just, you're looking at a, you know, shaky, uh, yeah, like terrible footage.

And so, like, to me, I'm like, man, just a, if it can cut the wind. And I, you know, it's funny 'cause I was like, everyone's like, oh, freehand these spot. I'm like, that's not a thing. No one cares about that to me. It's like, can it cut the wind? And I don't know. I've never seen, maybe I'm wrong on this, but do they cut the wind or is that like, is that why no one's marketing that?

Well, they telling the, the, the, I can tell you this for a fact. The Soro does, I mean, interesting. It's, it's evident. It's, it, it, it, the, the, the, the sensitivity is there, right. So all, all I can say is, is that, so for a guy to put it this way, for a guy that's driving the winter range, and he is looking at, you know, big giant bucks out, you know, he is just glassing and trying to figure stuff out.

I I, I, I know you can put those spotting scopes on your window mount, keep the truck running heater on, and you, you, and it's [00:43:00] stabilizing. Oh, interesting. I, I, I mean, how, how is that not cool? Yeah, that's cool. I will give a shout out to, uh, my boy Bruce at Epoch Outdoors. He built an app that does, so when you record it, it can, I don't know, I'm gonna screw this up.

Sorry, Bruce, but like, essentially it can take that video when it's all shaky and level it out. I don't know. I'm just using that term. I don't how it works. Yeah. And so, like, you're, you're, uh, and I'm sorry I'm, and I know who that is, but I'm. I wanna look at that. Uh, yeah, they make a, like a adapter for Digis.

Go. I like that. Uh, and he has an app. I, I don't, a lot of people dunno about the app. The app you can film. So if, like, if I film a bowl five miles away and it's shaky, right? And then like I go back and I can edit that. So it's, it, I mean it's, it's, it can stabilize it. No kidding. I, I'm, I'm totally interested in that.

Right. Thank you for saying that. Um, yeah. Anyway, yeah. Cody, I, I, it, it just goes back to the thing [00:44:00] of is I don't like to be labeled, oh, you're just this and you hate those and No, no, not, I, I, I want the best tool for the guy using the job and the trainees doing it. Right. But now that you've got me started down this road.

I, I want the field of view. I want better glass. I want, I want it all. Like, I don't care who built, I want it all. Right? Because I do, if, if you could give me the same field of view and you could give me that, that low light, and lastly, that first and last light, you know, that, that unbelievable, you know, uh, uh, brightness resolution and clarity I'm in.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I'm not, I, I I'm in, I just want to keep evolving the, the, the system. So talk a little bit about what makes, um, a good glasser. What, like what are, like, when we talk about it as a skill, what makes a good glosser? Um, [00:45:00] first of all, time in the field, I think people need to spend a lot of time practicing muscle memory.

Um. Becoming familiar with that territory, terrain feeling. Um, I, I, I, there are, there are times and places and, and you know, I, I hate saying things like this, but there's times that I'll be glassing with somebody and they'll like, why, why are you, like, why are you glassing right there? And it's just because I grew, because I grew up in Central Arizona and I've been hunting it since I was a kid.

And I just have a feeling and what I'm seeing in terms of vegetation and everyth, like, I, like, I know that there's gonna be a deer in this area. And I, I think that the, you know, people always want [00:46:00] shortcuts. And Cody, I, I don't, I don't think there's a lot of short, I mean, yeah, you can listen and you can, we can do all this stuff and give, but people still gotta go spend the time.

And, and, and recognize those colors, recognize those movements, those odd shapes, e everything that makes it doing what you're doing. I, I just think that guys really need to spend more time in the field doing it. And, and I, I think if they, it comes back to that methodical part of it, that, that last part of the three pillars, right?

Buy good glass, put it on a tripod, and be slow down and be methodical, right? I think you learn a lot when you spend time out there and everybody wants a shortcut and we all got certain vacation times and kids and, and, and, you know, we we're all under the same pressures. I, I just think that the thing to maximize that is to really learn and focus.

Um, [00:47:00] may maybe people need to. Break units up into smaller and, and, and focus on what's available in those areas and, and really learn them. But I think patience is, I personally, I just think that patience is, uh, the one thing that if they really slow down and pay attention to their surroundings, I think there'll be a better glasser in the long run.

Um, I, I think it's just good advice for hunting in general. The older I get, the, the better I get in that. Like I, I get more patient, right? Like, I spend a lot of time in my life hiking the leather right outta boots. Uh, yeah. You know, and I learned the hard way I, there's something to be said for it, right?

You think everyone's gotta pay their dues and wear out a few pairs of boots, man, spending more time behind the glass. Uh, yeah. And I think the other big thing I would say is like a couple things like two. One is methodically choosing where to glass from, like mm-hmm. [00:48:00] That is something I've seen a giant difference in truly great hunters is knowing where to look from.

Uh, that's crazy. And some of that's just boots on the ground. Some of that takes leather, right? Like knowing it takes rock. Well, and again, it, it's about I, and look, I may, I, I might hike to a certain point, but if I'm not seeing what I'm wanna seeing, I might, I might move down, or, I mean, it just kind of depends on where I'm at, but sometimes it's about changing the angle.

Mm-hmm. Just maybe 200 yards that way, or 200 yards this way, looking at something different. And all of a sudden you're like, oh, he's, he's been in the, he's been there the whole time and you're kind of looking at the angles and you're kind of triangulating and going, oh, I would've never seen him from there.

Right. But the deer's been laying and, you know, wherever he's at for, you know, whatever for hour or longer, polar or whatnot. But I, I think that that. I think sometimes [00:49:00] people say, well, you know, Cody, when do you know you've been in a place too long? Ah, I, I don't know. It, it kind of depends on what I'm seeing or not seeing, right?

Like if, if, if you're going days and you haven't seen any deer, that's a problem, right? Like, look on the ground. Are you seeing deer sign around you? Are you, I mean, like, are you seeing anything that would give you indication? And if they're not, I mean, you, you might, you know, I mean, you, you might need to move.

I mean, if you, if you think about some of the biggest, but I mean, I, you know, I, I, and I know we're talking about Alec, but, but like, if you think about, I don't know if you can see the deer right behind me, right? That's a stud, that's a stud, COOs deer, right? It's 126 and an eighth. And I feel incredibly fortunate to do that.

But here's the thing. We found that deer by mistake. We were, we, we, we literally. We're, we're, we're in [00:50:00] an area and we saw that deer. We, we showed up late. We saw that deer. We spent six days trying to kill that deer. And he wasn't in an area any bigger than three or four football fields. Think about that for a minute.

Yeah. Do you know how many deer I saw the entire time? Or the animals that I saw the entire time And we, we ended up triangulating on him. We had three different guys in three different spots. 'cause we all had tags. I saw one dough, one fawn in that buck. That was, that was in, well, I mean, so it would've been five days.

Wow. So that's not very exciting. I mean, the, the left side of my face was, Hmm. I mean, it felt like, you know, bacon. Yeah. Yeah. Just because I'm, you know, I'm looking where I'm looking and the other guy's on the other side and he's looking where he is looking. That deer didn't move around very much. [00:51:00] Yeah. So, again, I, you know, I mean, but we saw that deer and if, you know, habits of the game year after we knew that deer wasn't going anywhere, he was not moving.

It was not the rut. It was not anything that deer wasn't moving anywhere. And, you know, one of my buddies was like, yeah, let's go. Let's push him outta there. I'm like, I'll shoot you in the leg where I said, no, no, no, no, no. I will, I will shoot you in the leg. Do not do that. Right. Let just, he's gonna make a mistake.

He's gonna show himself. And yeah. And then, you know, fortunately I just, I was in the right place at the right time where that happened and, and you know, it, it, you get lucky sometimes, but, um, you know, I, there's another deer sitting up up here to my right that's a 103 inch double mean beam buck. And you know, that deer, we, we'd been in that spot seven or eight times looking for, for, for scouting and knowing that there was a [00:52:00] non-typical in there, you know, that came from a reliable source that said, Hey, I'd go look in this pocket.

We went and looked in the pocket and the entire seven days we were there, we saw four days. Wow. It wasn't consecutive days, but we literally were going back and back and back. Yeah. The night before the season at a bush that we had looked at a thousand times, that deer crawled outta that bush. Yeah.

Standing there. Just, I was like, there he is. 400 yards away. I said, I guess we're coming back here in the morning. Yeah. I mean, I've had that, uh, that Arizona on Amazon, you could stare at the same hillside, change angles, change it. It was like every second or third day you'd see a glimpse of a bowl. It's like, man, you just can't.

I mean, like, yeah, there's so many little Heidi holes. Um, but one of the, you know, one of the funny things when I think about glassing, last year we were in Wyoming. Uh, we threw a darted map, went in there, I killed a [00:53:00] Stomper bowl on opening day, and we got that thing packed out. It took a couple days to get it out.

It was pretty far in. So we get back to the truck and you know, we're just got back to the truck making dinner. We're at a trail head loaded with people, people everywhere. And Jayden throws up a spotter scope and a spotting scope, and he's just glassing and, you know, looking around or whatever. And we ended up picking up a shooter bowl that he up killing from the trail head.

And like, there's people all around and we were looking miles and miles away. And so I, I, one of the things I've learned is like, just because, or from the main road or just because whatever, like, man, just throw out glass, check the stuff that's far away. So many people overlook at that. So my brother killed a bull once.

Not the biggest bull not, but the, the story was kind of epic and, and the way we did it. But when we went in there the [00:54:00] morning, it was opening morning and I'm on my way in and, you know, we had. Uh, there's probably 12 inches of snow on the ground. And, um, so it, it was a little rougher getting in there than what we thought it was gonna take.

But, you know, the sun's already up. And, and now I've, before we even got to where we ran into this other person, the wind was kind of blowing. And I've already looked. The, the bulls are right where we left them. Now I'm, I'm, I'm going in, this person's coming out and they're moving into another spot. And I'm not gonna name who it was, but it's a, a well-known guide that I know that I respect.

And he is like, Hey, I don't know, man. They're, you know, they're all, you know, held up. We're gonna go to another spot. Well, they, they couldn't have been there that long. I'm sorry. They just, they could not have been there that long. [00:55:00] And there was five bulls, beded. A little bit in the shade, but you know, when the sun finally came up, they, I mean, it was so, to your point, man, sometimes you just gotta ride it out and let, let the morning, you know, kind of take a little bit of life of its own.

And, and, and, and again, they, they weren't giant bulls, but we ended up killing a bull that day. And I, I, I don't, I don't know why I, I don't know why they would've, I mean, there, there, there was other bulls in the bunch that were bigger than the bull my brother killed. I, I don't know, man. I mean, like, people look at myself and, and I, and I have to take him at, at face value.

He is like, ah, the bulls are all, you know, hunker down and you know, they're not going anywhere. I'm like, well, I don't know. Maybe he saw him. Maybe he didn't want us to see him. I don't know what game he was playing, you know? I mean, I don't know. But I mean, I, I, I, I, I'm like, they, they didn't kill, they didn't kill any bulls.

All right. [00:56:00] Talk to him later. I mean, and, and I know this person well enough to know that he would've said, Hey, man, did you kill the bulls laying up on the, but he didn't say that. Yeah, I just, he's like, there you kill the bull in there. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I'm, I'm just, all I'm saying is, is that I think that there's that, like, to your point Exactly, I think that there's places that, that, and I think with all the pressure that has been happening lately from, I, I don't care if you're in wine, you know, you know exactly what's been going.

Right. So, I mean, everybody's, you know, there are no secrets anymore. But I, I just think that sometimes you just gotta look in places and times that people aren't expecting it because you, you just never know what you're gonna find. Hundred percent. And I think the, I think the glass, the glass allows you to do that because you can cover country pretty dang quick if you give it a, you know, a, a a a minute.

Right. But yeah, so I mean, it's, uh. [00:57:00] It's pretty awesome to, to have those situations come up. Totally. Yeah. You know, when, you know, when you're, when you're not expecting it and you're like, I can't believe we're right here. And I mean, all this stuff is going around and, and, and right in front of you is, you know, an awesome situation that's turning into a, you know, a fun deal.

No, I, I mean, I can't tell you how many elk I've, I, in the last five years, I have found so many elk glassing from my truck. And I don't know if it's 'cause everyone's hiking around, whatever, but to me it's like, man, a spotting scope. Uh, I give Drew, you know, like, Hey Drew, build a better truck mount. And I feel like the truck mount that Drew built, um, nobody gives it credit.

Everyone like wants, you know, the back country, right? Uh, but like I get a lot of use outta that thing and, and like, see, find a lot out that I can hunt tomorrow. But Cody, this is the whole thing I'm talking about. There's tools for all of this, right? You know, like people would say, oh, you know, Arizona guys, you know, some of 'em are just [00:58:00] route road hunters.

Well, you know what, sometimes you just gotta be able to look, I mean, hey, wherever I can look and see with my glass, right? And, and, and save time, and I can, I mean, there may be a spot that I'm looking at that's a pocket of deer that maybe I just know that they're always right where they're at. I, I, I don't have to go pushing those deer around.

I don't have to go intrude into their space. Yeah. I, I can leave them alone. And I think that there's something really cool about that. I, I, I think at the end of the day. I don't know, maybe that's just why I got into glassing so long ago, is that I, I, I've been infatuated with it that we could sit somewhere and I, I felt like I was watching tv.

I, I, you know, I mean, I, I, I, I've, I've, I've literally the, the moment that I got into that, I just, you know, riding around in the, in the truck with my dad or, you know, just being quiet [00:59:00] and, and watching 'em in their own environment. Um, and again, I've always said this like, I don't know if I'm the best killer in the world, but I can, I, I can hold my own with finding game.

I, I don't, I don't, I just really, I just really enjoy finding game. I enjoy watching 'em in their habitats without having them any clue that I'm ever anywhere around things. I think that's where I'm curious, what's your, what's your thought on the, the trier micro pan? I think that's pretty amazing tool. Um, I, again, for me, if you're using.

Eights, tens, twelves, um, you can get away with a 15, um, because it's so smooth in the pan. I think that that really helps it. Um, when you go to the twist, um, on the bigger optics, your hand will become somewhat the steady factor, but how do you argue with something that's 4.4 ounces? Right? Right, right. I mean, doesn, I mean, so I think it, if you're [01:00:00] a day hunter where weight's a consideration or not a consideration, but if you're a backpacker, how do you argue with that?

Right. And so, um, yeah, I mean, I think there's, there's, uh, and, and I, I think there's, there's times to do I want what I call the good weight, and does it, does it have a steady and calming effect, effect on your glass or, you know, are you fighting it all day? Because it, if. I'm not gonna take a, an LP and use it on a set of, you know, COA highlanders that are 13 pounds.

That doesn't work. Right. So I, I think I, I, I think when people use the appropriate tripods in gear, um, I think sometimes you can make things too light and then, you know, you may be one of the guys that, you know, that puts a sandbag on his or fills up rocks and hangs it. I mean, I think all of those things are acceptable and I, I tend to like my favorite setup, [01:01:00] um, uh, I don't have it here, it's in the garage at the moment, but, um, my favorite setup is the, the ad and a and a and the, the 360 with a BP on it.

Mm-hmm. Because I can manipulate, uh, pretty much anything up to my one 50 b TX one 15 on that and be perfectly fine with it. Yeah. Um, so it, it, it just kind of depends on, again, what, what you're doing. But I love. When, when you just want to, you know, like run up a hill and, and or be lightweight. I, there's, I don't, I don't know, I don't think is there anything better than the lp?

No, LP isn't. Um, and I, and I tend to, my tripods tend to be a little bit, I, I like the longer, I don't necessarily always like the, the more compact, like the bc right? I like the bc um, but I don't know if you can tell or not, but I'm a pretty broad chested guy, and for me to get in behind that, I, I, I have to extend it and get on it.

So, yeah. Um, [01:02:00] I just like longer legged tripods like that. So, um, and my God, the, the ad is, I mean, I think the, I think it's really actually only like a couple ounces heavier, but you're getting a little bit longer length out of it. Right? And so for me, that, that helps me. I kinda like to be underneath and into a tripod as opposed to a rounded tripod.

Okay. Does that make sense? Yeah, I bounce between both. I, you know, I ran the BC for quite a while. Um, now if I'm doing a backpack on, I'll just take the BC it doesn't really matter to your point, but, you know, BC with an LP on it, or I'll do the trier ad with an LP on it. Um, yeah. Isn't it interesting that so much that we come and talk about Cody, it all comes back to what are you doing right now?

Right, right. I, you know, I mean, and, and I'm not saying I, I'm probably not the fair guy always to ask, because if you go down in my garage, there's probably 30 or 40 tripods down there that I've collected over the years that I've got [01:03:00] from clear back to, I have the original, um, my original compact tripod was what was called a Coleman.

Um, it's, it's basic, I don't even know if it weighs a pound. It, the, the, the legs come out and they just go to one spot. They, they like, it's. I mean, it's anywhere in between, but there's no clicks. There's no, yeah. You know, like it doesn't hold it. I mean it's for the, for the love of God. It's an awful tripod.

But you know what, any tripod is better than no tripod. Dude, I carried around a four pound man Frodo tripod. Oh yeah. With a fluid head for like an aluminum one forever. Like I packed that thing forever and I loved it. 'cause I could, on the man photo, I could just put my whole bin noses right on top of the deck.

That's how big it was. It was like your bin noses just fit on the deck and then, you know, you could pan around or throw your spotter up. So yeah, I used that for years and I would, that was the one thing I was like, I'll never not take my tripod. I might not take my spotter, [01:04:00] but I'll take the tripod. Yeah.

Like if I had to like cut some weight, it would be the spotter, not the tripod. I was talking at a seminar once and I made the statement, I said, you know, I said, guys, 'cause a guy questioned me. He is like, well, you know, is it really that important? And I go, I just told him, I go, Hey look. I would rather forget my rifle than forget my tripod.

And he's like, that's, you know, I'm like, look, here's why. Because I can still, I can still make use of the mourning, right. Or whatever it is. And I can still find deer that I can go back and kill another time because I haven't been in there screwing him up. Right? So he, that guy literally came to me after the seminar and was like, Hey man, do you like, I'm like, look, I'm not, I I, I was kind of being funny when I said that, but that's, it's the way that I feel, right?

I don't wanna be without my glass sent out my, my tripod. I would rather forget those or forget my rifle and then go back and be able to kill it another [01:05:00] time. Right. That, that's all I'm saying. Right. And, and I, I, I think, again, I, I'm very patient when it comes to glassing. I, I can do it for hours on end. I can do it from sun up to sundown.

Are you a chair guy or do you, uh, sit on the ground, get outta the pad? Um, I'm more, I'm more of a natural guy. I kinda like finding the, you know, I always have a pad with me. Um, I have carried a walk stool. Um, what I find is, is the places that I end up going so many times, um, you're not really in level ground.

Mm. So I will, I'm not one, I, I will displace or I will find a, you know, a a I don't know. I, I try to find a natural place that my, my fat butt will fit into and will and, and, but I, I just, I've never been a big chair, like all the time everywhere guy. Right. If that, Hey, if that helps you do it. Yeah. But, but I'm gonna tell you a little funny story about I think, um, what happens [01:06:00] with guys chairs a lot.

I, I think guys, when they're using chairs, I think they put themselves in positions a lot of time. That are mainly maybe on top of the ridge as opposed to down in the ridge. And I've always thought that I, I still try to use basic hunting, you know, etiquette, well, not etiquette, but just, right, right. Like, I just try not to skyline myself, homicide.

Right. And I think what happens is, is that a lot of times, and, and it's an odd thing, there are people that say, oh, I, I only stand in glass. Well, I, I would tell you that I think anytime you get your glass farther away from the ground exponentially, the higher it gets, the more shaky they become. And on a 10 day hunt, let's just say, the way that I think about glass or glassing and, and keeping your, you know, optic [01:07:00] steady is to avoid eye fatigue.

So if, if we could take a, if we could calculate all the time that you spend. Clearing your eyes or vising or taking Advil or taking a nap because you're tired, and I could help you keep your eyes steady or your glass steady to help your eyes not become tired. What if I told you at the end of a hunt, you get three more hours to hunt?

Hmm. So it, to me it's about how do I maximize the time behind the glass? And I know Cody, you're sitting there thinking, man, this guy's really thought about this a lot. And, and to me it's always about maximizing your time behind the glass. So if I, if I told you at the end of a hunt, like a soccer game that you think is 90 minutes, and they all of a sudden give you three or four more minutes because of penalty time that, that you get more time to hunt.

[01:08:00] Well, would, would you take it? Oh yeah. So my thing is, why don't we do those things throughout the hunt? To help mitigate that. And that's, to me, that's what it's all about. What percentage do you feel like your, your eyes are actually on a glass? I've always wanted this, 'cause like, people guides used to talk about like, oh, you know, every minute.

Or being on the glass. Being on the glass full a DD here. Like, I don't know if I'm the best at that. I'm gonna be a call a spade, a spade. I don't know if I'm spending enough like eyes on glass, you know, I can, I could sit on a glass knb with the best of 'em. Yeah. And tie myself down to, you know, whatever.

But like, eyes in glass, what's like, what is like top guides doing versus everyone else first? Like, I, I just don't hunt with people, so I'm like, I don't know, think everyone else is like solid eight hours a day, like eyes on a glass. I, I mean, I will tell you that I think there's times that it feels like that, like, it, like there's days where it feels like, man, I, I think I've been, I, I literally think I've been [01:09:00] on it, you know?

And, and I think it also depends on. Are we just glassing or are we looking for something specific? Right, right. Are we waiting on a buck? Because I found a bull, me and a we, we were helping Jay Scott, and we found a bull and we were on a way to our glassing deal. I'll just tell you the story real quick if you got a quick minute, because the, the end story is, is pretty awesome.

So we, we found this bull, or I, I, I'm sorry. We, we, we were kinda late. We, we had a flat tire. The, the, the, uh, it was mu I mean, there's just all kinds of stuff going wrong, right? So we get, we're late getting to our glassing point, which I mean, that is just almost sacrilegious when it comes to glassy. Like, just don't be late.

Like get there early, be on time, you know, sun's coming up. You see a lot more stuff. Anyway. So we were late. So, uh, my buddy and I split up. I said, Hey, you go to the top. I'm gonna play around with the bulls that I can hear just in these [01:10:00] little shoots and whatnot. And so I saw a couple decent bulls there, you know, a couple, like three 30 kind of bulls.

There's a three 50. And then for whatever reason, I just decided to, to take my quad. And I'm like, Hey, I'm gonna go down this road that I, it it, it wasn't even a road, it was just like a, like a little spike that somebody took off. And so I, I, I went down the road, I par I parked the quad and, and, and I just took my tripod and my glass and I walked off the edge and all of a sudden, here's hear this.

And I'm like, whoa. And I put I as fast as I could, put my tripod up. And I, and at this point I'm standing because it's all about speed now. And as soon as I put my glass in the area, there was like just an open spot and the sun was just coming up and hitting it. And I don't know, uh, Cody if this makes sense or not, but you know, when you, you, you can hear the rocks kick and then you look [01:11:00] to somewhere and you can almost kind of see the cow jump, you know?

Yeah. Like you, it's all happening kind of in slow motion kind of thing. Yeah. Well, I'm like, oh man, there's a cow right there. And I, and I knew this bull was pushing the, the, she, she jumped just like, she'd been pushed not, you know, not like she was scared or something. But man, this bull steps into this, you know, this, this opening, and I'm just, I'm Cody.

This is, this is a bull of a lifetime. It, it, it, it's, it's got stuff like it. I mean, I, I can't even begin to describe to you. I mean, we're not talking 400, we're talking well over four. Oh oh. I mean, we're talking like a, like, and I'll, I'll say this in a minute. So I, I immediately, I got on my radio and called my buddy and like, Hey, I'm like.

You need to come down here. And when you get to where I left you, you take that little spike, you come down to my quad, shut it off, and you walk directly, you know, away from the sun, like at your [01:12:00] back. And I, I could hear him racing down there and he is like, what's that? I'm like, just get down here now. So we get there.

Sure enough, I mean, now by this time I've watched this bull maybe travel a hundred yards and he's pushing one cow, and all he does is do this, blah. He, he is, it's not even a bugle, it's just a, it's a frog. So he, he, he literally pushes a cow over, she beds down and he gets up underneath this dead like tree.

And I've got him pegged. I've, I literally, I'm texting Jay on my cell phone because he's in a different part of the unit that you can't get to from where we're at. Like, you, you've gotta make a different arrangement to get there. I call him, I go, Hey, drop what you're doing. Be here where I'm at now. And he's like, how big?

I'm like, I don't know. Way bigger than anything that you're on. Get here now. [01:13:00] And he's like, how big? I'm like, I don't know. Well over 400. And he is like, oh God. Well, you know, we'll be there. We'll, we'll just be there as soon as we can. Yeah. So my buddy gets there, finds my quad walks directly out, you know, just to the first opening that you could see.

And I get him set up. Now, by this time I've tried to get myself down in the shade. I mean, the, the sun's right on top of me. The, the elk is better. And so I tell my buddy and I'm like, okay, see where the, you know, the dead tree is, and yeah, da, da da. And I go, okay. You see all the branches that are going this way.

And he's like, yeah. I go, well, you see the big one that's like 45 against it. And all of a sudden the bull just goes, Ugh. Shakes your head. Shakes his head, and I can literally hear the air suck out of him. He's like, oh my God, God. He's like, that's a res bull. And I'm like, yeah, I, I'm [01:14:00] like, I, I'm like, this is like gigantic.

So anyway, we stayed on that bull and when I tell you that we stayed on that bull, we did not see Jay or the Hunter. We literally did not see them until two 30 or three o'clock that afternoon. Got we, we, we, we got 'em in, we pulled, you know, and this is an archery hunt. Same thing. We get everybody in, we get everybody set up.

And literally at the same, the bull has not, and by the way, the bull's still batted in the same tree. This has gone on all day, and I, I describe it the exact way and, and just as I described it to Jay, the bull literally stands up and literally I hear Jay go, like, I mean, he's like, oh my God, that's a res bull.

And the hunter Michael Parks out of, out of Esic, uh, uh, uh, [01:15:00] uh, Oregon, this is like his 53rd or 54th bull that he's gonna go after with a bow. And he's like, oh my God, it's a res bull. And we're not even close to the res, we're somewhat close to the res bowl. We ain't that close to the res. Right? But the point is, the point is, is that now we're, we're like, okay, now what do we do?

Well, now the wind starts swirling and we're, at this point, we're at about 400 yards, and we have not, I have personally not taken my eyes off the glass. I, I've been there all day and my buddy has been there all. So now we're, we're making plans. Well, unfortunately I had to leave that night. My buddy had to leave after the next morning.

Three days later they kill that bull. Two days later they kill that bull. 4 36. Jesus. Yes. [01:16:00] It so big. I will probably die before I see another bull like that. Yeah, I mean that, that when, when, you know, Michael, when Michael killed that bull, they killed it. I guess it was not the next day, but it was the, the second day after we found him.

Um, and Michael is as good a bow hunter and as solid. I mean, you, he is top, not he's, I mean he's just fantastic, Jay. And I mean, and, and. This was a hand signal, like no radios deal. I mean, he, like, certain guys wanna do certain things and you know what? It's your hunt. You, we will do whatever you wanna do.

Yeah. But they, they got over and they, I mean, he smacked that bull and he nicknamed the Bull Nelly. Everybody calls me Nelly, but when they were standing, they sent me like a video of, you know, back in the day those were flip phones. Like, I mean, [01:17:00] we barely had video capabilities and I just remember being like, oh my God.

I mean the, the fronts, and you could look it up. I mean, if you type in, uh, Michael Parks Unit 23 Bull, or J Scott Unit 23 Bull with Michael Parks. Yeah. You, you'll see pictures of it. It's, it's absolutely unbelievable. Unbelievable. Um, and it's a bowl of a lifetime. That's a bowl of couple lifetimes. Uh, oh.

You could say that again. Yeah. And I, I honestly, I, in my own heart of hearts, I don't think you'll ever, I don't think I'll ever see a bull like that again. I hope so. I mean, I'll keep doing it, but Yeah. But holy cow. I mean, that, that, that just doesn't happen every day. And, and I've been, I've been around a number of big bulls, but that is by far and away the biggest bull.

And, and, but, but the tenaciousness, the [01:18:00] glassing, the, the staying after, like, we just never came. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, so that was pretty pointed, right? Yeah. Yeah. That was a once in a lifetime chance When I got home, my wife, like literally my face, my whole left side of my face was just like, like melted butter.

It was just like, it was, it was awful. Yeah. So, um, I don't know what to answer your question. Yeah. I mean, but to answer your question, like I don't, I don't know. I've never thought of it in that, but I mean, I like to think that I'm maximizing time as much as possible, and I'm staying in the glass more than the average guy.

That's awesome. Now, when you have people with you and you're jaw jacking and you're kind of having fun and grab ass, I mean, look, I don't, I, I'm there to have fun too, right? But there's times to be serious and times not to be, and, [01:19:00] and, um, I, I don't know man. I, I just, I, I have a knack for it and, and I like to pass that knack on to other people and there's nothing more rewarding to me than to help somebody with a, with a piece of glass, a tripod and, and just that one little thing of like, look, if you'll just try this, and I don't care whether you have.

A set of crossfires that you've taken your own surgical tubing and wrapped it on a piece of plywood. I, I've seen it all. I don't care how you get it on a tripod, but if you, if you'll try and you'll do that. I, I, I've got hundreds if not thousands of texts over the years of people saying, Cody, you, you literally changed the way that, that I do this and I've seen more game in the time that I've done it this way than I have without.

Right. I, I, I, I don't know that there's anything more rewarding to me. [01:20:00] Nice. You know, and especially when they're talking about teaching their kids how to do it and their kids are enjoying it and they're spending more time with their kids. 'cause their kids are, yeah. You know, it's, you know, when a kid says, Hey dad, this is better than a video game.

I don't know if it's or not, I don't play video games, but if that's what that kid thinks, I've, I've had that before. Right. Yeah. So if I can give people that passion and. That help to get to that spot. That's pretty cool stuff. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming on, giving us the, some, some secrets. An amazing story.

Yeah. That's got me excited about Elk season. Yeah. Should we, should we at least talk about what I got going on? What? Just real quick? Yeah, we can do that. We can. Yeah, a hundred percent. I, I and I, I kind of, we, we get talk, you get me to talk about glass and I forget about a lot of stuff real quick. Uh, I am, uh, I am a full-time employee of Tricer.

Congrats. Drew sucked you into his pyramids game and, [01:21:00] you know, we've been talking and consulting for so long and doing things and, and, uh, you know, I'm still, I'm still helping go hunt and still bridging that gap. And, uh, and I'm, and, and I, I love my go hunt family to death and I'll never, never forget 'em.

And I will continue to help 'em as long as I can. Um. But, uh, long story short, I'm a full-time, uh, drew calls me the director of innovation. Nice. So I, uh, I have been charged with helping take anything in the past and anything in the future and trying to help, uh, you know, better, you know, tracers, tripod, or whatever.

It doesn't matter. Yeah. Um, whether it's, it's, uh, bipods or tripods or, you know, just the, the little pieces and, and, and accessories. It's all about making people glass and, and, and be more efficient in the, in the, in the back country. Well, I would say that was, uh, it's a cool position. I think it makes sense, it makes sense for both of you guys.

Um, you know, you're an innovator in the space as well. And, uh, Drew's a [01:22:00] great dude, uh, good friend of mine, so happy to see it. Um, cool to see, you know, tr uh, Dreiser Dre not Drew growing. Drew's about same height, but, uh, Dreiser's growing. Uh, but yeah, his, his, his mustache is grown, that's for sure. He's trying to keep it up with me.

Yeah, he he's trying to, yeah, he's, he's, he's letting it go. Yeah. Uh, uh, Cody, we got some really cool stuff coming over there. We got a lot of stuff in the pipeline and I would just tell people to hang onto their hats 'cause we're gonna try to do some cool stuff and, uh, okay. Yeah. And I, I, I couldn't be more excited to make the change and, and, uh, but you know, optics is still my thing and, and, uh, there's a, you know, we're just kind of, it, it's kind of, it's kind of nice to.

I gotta be honest with you, it's kinda nice to be on the other side a little bit. Like I'm Yeah. You know, where I was selling everything, right? Yeah. And, uh, now I'm a little bit, you know, obviously more, uh, streamlined as to, to what I'm doing, but I believe in the company, I believe in what we're doing and, and we're gonna create some really cool stuff.

It's cool. Well, you guys got a great team. [01:23:00] Um, and I think you guys are gonna man, as fast as Drew innovated before to, to bring on some real A players. It's gonna be pretty exciting to see what you guys can develop over the next 12 months. Well, he's, uh, he, I, I will tell you that my onboarding experience has been nothing short of incredible that he has put together, like truly an incredible, a player kind of team.

And, uh, and they, they're very passionate people. And, uh, I feel, um, I blessed and grateful to be involved. That's awesome. So, yeah. Well, what's you guys the best? Uh, yeah. And if anybody's interested, go check out trier.com. If you need a new tripod, go pick up, uh, an ad or a BC whatever fits. Yeah. The, the, the, the, yeah, the new ones.

Uh, I, uh, man, I, I just, I can't get over how good they are. Yeah. Yeah. They're sweet. Well, I tell you what's really interesting about 'em, and if I can just tell a quick thing, is that, you know, drew and I were talking about these and the changes that, that, that, you know, I was getting feedback on [01:24:00] and I, I really thought needed to be made.

And, and they made those changes and he, and, and Drew comes back to me and says, Hey, I got one coming to you. Here you go. And it's funny because there's people that, whether they were a fan or not a fan, but all of a sudden they heard about the changes and they saw 'em at the shows. I got people that are pretty hardcore dy in the wool, you know, glass.

That are now like going, Hey man, I, uh, I saw the changes and you guys knocked it outta the park in this deal. And so he's, he's not afraid to make changes and listen to what customers have to say. I can tell you that that's, uh, that's what it takes to build a good thing. Yeah, buddy. So, well, I appreciate, I appreciate the opportunity to come on.

Yes, sir. And, uh, you have a, you have a great podcast and, and, uh, it's, I, to be honest, I, I can't believe we haven't done this sooner, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I don't mean that like we should have, like I, I, I mean it, like, I, I just feel blessed that you gave me the opportunity [01:25:00] to come on here and talk about the thing I love most and that's glassy.

Cool. Well, I appreciate you coming on. Uh, thanks again and, uh, thank you very much. Yeah, good luck this year. We'll talk to you soon. All right. Thanks, Cody. Yeah, buddy.

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